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All-Meat Carnivore Diet Advocates Should Be Jailed, Says Doctor

The carnivore diet - which involves followers eating either an all-meat or 95% meat diet - was recently debunked by Dr. Joel Fuhrman

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Advocates of the carnivore diet should be “jailed,” one top doctor has jokingly suggested.

Definitions of the carnivore diet vary, but for many, it involves eating an all-meat diet with no other products. Some people incorporate up to five percent other items like eggs.

Dr. Fuhrman

The diet, which has come under scrutiny from many, was blasted by plant-based advocate Dr. Joel Fuhrman during an episode of Mark Bell’s Power Project Podcast. The podcast has previously featured carnivorous guests, notably Dr. Shawn Baker, who is famously anti-vegan.

Dr. Fuhrman is a board-certified family physician and six-time New York Times best-selling author.

The show also describes him as as ‘internationally recognized expert on nutrition and natural healing, who specializes in preventing and reversing disease through nutritional methods’.

Shawn Baker and the carnivore diet

Dr. Baker has defended the carnivore diet in the past saying its benefits include satiety and appetite regulation, craving and addiction extinction, provides thermic effective protein, normalizes gut permeability, and stabilizes glucose levels.

He added: “Based on the strength of the evidence available, there isn’t much, so we can’t make those claims [that it is a miracle diet]. It will not make you live longer, or we can’t make those claims. 

“It’s not going to save you from a disease. It might make you healthier and for a lot of people, it has, and it will definitely cure you of veganism! That I can say definitively.”

All-meat diet

Dr. Fuhrman, who is a proponent of a nutrient-dense but low-calorie plant-based diet, spoke about the carnivore diet – and its advocates – during the episode.

“You’re getting a lot of bad information that’s killing people,” he said, “and those people should be put in jail that you’re having on your show…they should be stopped. We should silence them,” he laughed.

Carnivore diet: fast aging

Dr. Fuhrman then added: “The most proven methodology to slow aging – I should say the only proven methodology to slow aging and living longer – is moderate caloric restriction in an environment of micronutrient excellence…and by micronutrients, I mean vitamins, minerals, phytochemicals, and antioxidants.

“Meat has no micronutrient load. It has no phytochemicals and antioxidants, it doesn’t diffuse free radicals processed foods. A piece of chicken is like a bagel; they both are sources of calories with no significant load of micronutrients, especially the phytochemicals and antioxidants that diffuse free radicals.”

Defining aging, Dr. Fuhrman said it is the build-up of metabolic toxins and waste products. He added that just eating more calories in general produces more free radicals, and that the more calories you eat, the faster your metabolic rate gets. “The faster your metabolic rate, the faster you’re aging,” he concluded.

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Ryan Hartman
Ryan Hartman
1 year ago

I can’t imagine why a carnivore diet would get “blasted” by a salad slinging doctor.

Matt
Matt
1 year ago
Reply to  Ryan Hartman

Because carnivore diets are dangerous.

Patrick Proctor
Patrick Proctor
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt

Evidence please.

Matt
Matt
1 year ago

Look at the blood work of adherents.

Patrick Proctor
Patrick Proctor
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt

I’ve seen it. The blood work is better among keto and carnivore dieters, by far.

Matt
Matt
1 year ago

Post the numbers.

Patrick Proctor
Patrick Proctor
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt

Screen grab for Paul Saladino and another Carnivore. https://youtu.be/anC97C08MVU?t=240

Dave Feldman: https://youtu.be/lYVRKtoRpQk?t=253

Shawn Baker: https://robbwolf.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Baker-Shawn-Labs.pdf

Lower inflammatory markers (C-Reactive Protein, Apo B, IL-6+, etc.) and cancer markers (TNF-a, IGF 1, etc.) across the board than any long-term vegan actually willing to publish their results (without having fasted 10 days first to cheat the tests, thank you Dave Feldman for exposing how to do this).

The single thing vegans cling to is high LDL, which has zero evidence against it as an independent (IE: causal) risk factor for disease.

Matt
Matt
1 year ago

If you call being pre-diabetic better.

Brian
Brian
11 days ago
Reply to  Matt

You clearly haven’t. Bc the blood work is great. But blood work isn’t even that important. The CAC score is the bigger measure and it always gets lower on carnivore. You’ve been duped.

Badmannerkorea
Badmannerkorea
25 days ago

“The World Health Organization has classified processed meats including ham, bacon, salami and frankfurts as a Group 1 carcinogen (known to cause cancer) which means that there’s strong evidence that processed meats cause cancer”, and “Fresh red meat such as beef, lamb, veal and pork may also cause cancer”.

Brian
Brian
11 days ago
Reply to  Badmannerkorea

You’re a sheep is you follow the WHO. You may as well believe in the food pyramid too

CHANCE GAUGE RYAN
CHANCE GAUGE RYAN
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt

Prove it! Recent study shows a higher fat and meat diet doesn’t make u anymore at risk of disease

Matt
Matt
1 year ago

Adherents will start dropping like flies.

Brian
Brian
11 days ago
Reply to  Matt

Your comments keep saying what will happen which means it hasn’t and is merely your opinion. Apparently adherents to veganism become more stupid than they already are. You don’t like to use your rational brain much do you

Fallopia Tuba
Fallopia Tuba
1 year ago

At the very least, carnivore diets are highly dangerous for the environment; humans also suffer from far more long-term diseases caused by eating meat and dairy than from eating plants.

Andy Bee
Andy Bee
1 year ago
Reply to  Fallopia Tuba

Absolutely untrue. Regenerative farming has a far lower carbon and life footprint than mono=crops used for human consumption.

Matt
Matt
1 year ago
Reply to  Andy Bee

Complete green-washing BS.

Brian
Brian
11 days ago
Reply to  Matt

Another brainwashed opinion. Rhetoric. You have no facts

Brian
Brian
11 days ago
Reply to  Fallopia Tuba

Neither of those assertions is true or to actual. Government subsizided big agriculture business are dangerous for the environment and for human health not meat. Jesus you people have life backwards

Brian
Brian
11 days ago
Reply to  Matt

No. No they are not. Not at all. You are deluded into believing horse shit. There is nothing dangerous about eating the proper human diet.

Matt
Matt
1 year ago

You have a type-o in there Maria: “It has no phytochemicals andm antioxidants”.

Ian
Ian
1 year ago

Facts and citations needed, here is micronutrient load of a steak. Also meat based diet isn’t necessarily high calorie.
http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrientprofile&dbid=141

I don’t see any research or debunking making this a highly misleading article title.

Darrell Sawczuk
Admin
8 months ago
Reply to  Ian

Hi,

Thank you for your comment.

Please note that Plant Based News is reporting on statements from a doctor.

Xeper and Remanifest Think Tan
Xeper and Remanifest Think Tan
1 year ago

Entire article is absurd. The proper meats, none processed meats: meats high in fats absolutely do contain micronutrients. The problem with people like the author of this article is “assumption making”, you these people assume that carnivore diet advocates encourage people to run out and eat bologna, hot dogs, all types of sausages, beef jerky and so on. Many advocates of carnivore diet will urge people to stay away from those processed meats! And will also encourage people on the carnivore diet to take some type of fiber supplement, or even eat more fiber such as flax seeds!! Transfats are the worst!! And let’s not act like the culprit for free radicals are healthy fats when we all know the guilty party for free radicals the majority of the time is…….SUGAR!!!!

Matt
Matt
1 year ago

He said meat doesn’t contain a “significant load of micronutrients”. Taking fiber supplements? Oh, that’s not a true carnivore diet. Trans-fats exist naturally in meat. The main source of free radicals is oxidized cholesterol.

Jose Trevino
Jose Trevino
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt

Trans fats are fats that are hydrogenated, aka processed to remain solid at warmer temperatures and to ensure a longer shelf life. Think old school vegetable shortening a la crisco. That being said, trans fats don’t exist naturally in meat. You might be thinking of saturated fat, which entails an entirely different discussion.

Claude
Claude
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt

If your health biomarkers are optimal why worry about fibers. Some people need to read more research on their own than read vegan propaganda by Maria.

Adam Antee
Adam Antee
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt

Being the grammar police you seem to be in a previous post, Matt, you’d think you would read a little more carefully. He does in fact say…”meat has no micronutrient load”. Enjoy your kale, buddy.

Matt
Matt
1 year ago
Reply to  Adam Antee

Load being the operative word.

Patrick Proctor
Patrick Proctor
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt

He’s wrong on the significant load of micronutrients bit too. Muscle meat even has enough Vitamin C in it to keep you from getting Scurvy if you’re on a low carb diet.

Trans fats are not universally bad. It’s just the one humans made that’s caused decades of damage. Elaidic Acid (laboratory trans fat in vegetable shortening and margerine) is horrible. The naturally existing ones in Heart of Palm, Milk, Eggs, and Coconuts (which contain ZERO Elaidic Acid) have not ever been shown to have negative effects.

Main source of free radicals is glucose metabolism. After that is Polyphenols. Cholesterol doesn’t oxidize if there aren’t peroxyl radicals and ROSes flying around.

Matt
Matt
1 year ago

No there are not significant amounts of vitamin C in muscle meat. Otherwise known as meat.

Trans fats don’t know if they are natural or artificial. On a molecular level they are identical.

Glucose is the natural energy source of the cell.

Free radicals are caused by cooking meat. You eat raw meat? Because there are parasites in there that cause brain cancer.

Gerardo Lastra
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt

Found the vegan.

There is significant vitamin C in muscle meat. An all meat diet prevents scurvy and this has been documented in the scientific literature. Think about it: mammals need vitamin C and use it in many metabolic processes. The idea that mammal cells (those in meat in this case) will not contain vitamin C is an insult to intelligence. Eating nose to tail will give you all the nourishment you need, with all micronutrients, and in fact the proper versions of them, not vegetable pro-vitamins or low-absorption minerals coupled with phytic acid or other anti-nutrients.

Trans fat is a category, elaidic acid is elaidic acid, but vaccenic acid is vaccenic acid. They ARE different molecules.

Glucose is one of the possible energy substrates, as is fat and ketones. Even without glucose intake (0 carbs), our blood glucose is stable and glucose is oxidised in our cells, thanks to gluconeogenesis. Fun fact: carnivore animals also use glucose, ever thought about that?

Raw meat is safe as long as the necessary precautions are taken.

The amount of non-sense you are spewing over the comments here is certainly entertaining. Read a bit.

Matt
Matt
1 year ago
Reply to  Gerardo Lastra

Fun fact: Human beings are not carnivores. Let that sink in.

Gerardo Lastra
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt

Your response to the complete destruction of your point is so rich, so ellaborate, so backed by references or logical arguments that I must concede. You are right!

Except you’re not. Compare the human gut structure to herbivores’ or omnivores’, the stomach acidity, the lack of a caecum to ferment vegetable matter, the teeth…

Ah, why am I even trying? Good luck, and stay safe.

Matt
Matt
1 year ago
Reply to  Gerardo Lastra

It’s like you live in bizzaro world. Where everything is oppsite.

The human gut in length and structure looks more like a rabbit than a lion. Our PH is not high. Our teeth adepted to eat fruit and grind plant matter. We do ferment fiber in our gut wich produces short chain fatty acids.

We could get into genetic mutations that give us multiple copies of the amylase gene. Making us starch specialists. And the Neu5Gc mutation that 3 million years ago made all mamal meat apart from human flesh inflammatory. What separated humans from other apes.

Gerardo Lastra
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt

Care to respond to my previous comment re. vitamin C, trans fat and gluconeogenesis?

Our pH is in fact low, very low. As low as vultures. I see you don’t really understand how that works, should have expected it.

The amylase mutation is what allows us to be “omnivores”, except omnivores is used as another word for “must eat meat sometime”. Veganism is not sustainable long term without supplements, we must consume animal products to survive and thrive, and are thus carnivores.

Meat is inflammatory? Oh boy, I would love to see some references.

And again, please respond to all points made in my first comment. Otherwise I can just assume that you acknowledge having no clue.

Matt
Matt
1 year ago
Reply to  Gerardo Lastra

I don’t have the patience to go over every point.

The only supliment vegans need is B12 because we drink treated water in the West.

Meat contains multiple substances that cause inflammation. The molecular mechanism regarding Neu5Gc is being better understood as a cause of inflammation as time goes on. You can google that. Heme iron, TMAO, oxidized cholesterol, are three other substances. There are more. Meat is junk food, you didn’t know?

Gerardo Lastra
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt

So your way of saying “I really have no logical arguments to formulate a response” is “I don’t have the patience to go over every point.” Fair enough!

B12 and… treated water. What. The. Fuck. You think water available in nature (streams, rivers, ponds, etc) has B12 in it?!

TMAO is a fun one. Bad (observational) studies tried to link it to heart disease, when in fact TMAO may even be protective and is also increased when consuming certain plant-based foods. TMA (and thus TMAO) is produced by certain gut bacteria when ingesting certain nutrients that, as I said, are present in plants as well. Here are some references, if you want to educate yourself:

https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/10.1146/annurev-micro-091014-104422

https://www.wjgnet.com/1007-9327/full/v20/i43/16062.htm

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30485835/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31200429/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25636076/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27377678/

Oxidised cholesterol is one of the primary mechanistic causes of cardiovascular disease, I see we might agree on that. Now, you might be surprised to learn that what leads to cholesterol being oxidised is the content of easily oxidisable fatty acids (who would have guessed). Now, I know the suspense is killing you, but try to guess which type of food contains the most easily oxidisable fatty acids. Yes, that’s it! Plants! And now, try to guess what makes cholesterol stay for longer in your blood and thus be more prone to oxidation. Glycation! How do you get glycation? By having high blood glucose. How do you get high blood glucose? By eating carbohydrates! I feel like a primary school teacher now. Anyway, here are the references:

openheart.bmj.com/content/5/2/e000898

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9488997/

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17023268/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5723280/

http://www.pnas.org/content/79/6/1712

portlandpress.com/biochemsoctrans/article-abstract/31/5/1062/63359/Oxi

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11049692/

I know I am probably wasting my time, and I am posting here in a plant-based website and you are probably a vocal vegan, but I still have a bit of hope in the remote chance that I might even convince you (or whoever is reading) to at least consider that you might be wrong and prevent your trouble down the road.

This will be my last reply in this thread, as I see you have no intention on having a meaningful discussion and avoid any kind of debate when your beliefs are confronted. Feel free to have the last word, as I suspect you will “need” to. Also, enjoy the rest of your weekend.

Gerardo Lastra
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt

I just posted a reply with references in it, but since those are external links to journals it is currently awaiting moderation. Do come back later or tomorrow when the post is approved, you will certainly enjoy it and maybe learn something.

Matt
Matt
1 year ago
Reply to  Gerardo Lastra

Do you follow this diet?

Matt
Matt
1 year ago
Reply to  Gerardo Lastra

Yeah, didn’t think so. Come back and talk to me after you’ve been eating it for 20 years and you haven’t died from a heart attack or stroke.

Matt
Matt
1 year ago
Reply to  Gerardo Lastra

Still waiting on you to debunk me. For you to proove that eating a diet consisting entirely of meat is healthy. Gonna love to see all the peer reviewed studies.

Or you could wake up to reality. You could do that.

Gerardo Lastra
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt

Are you sure you “don’t have the patience” to actually respond to my points? You keep coming back and seem really committed, but still you don’t have the 30 seconds it would take to acknowledge your mistakes about vitamin C, trans fatty acids, etc. It’s hard to have an actual debate with someone who just dismisses the points to which he cannot formulate a valid reply.

I have been following a carnivore diet for over 2 years and every single part of my health has improved dramatically. I obviously don’t expect you to believe me, though, that is why we weren’t talking about me, but rather about how wrong your comments were.

It is really nice of you to expect me to die of a heart attack or stroke. It really shows your humanity. Come to think of it, veganism seems to be highly correlated with dark triad psychological features.

Currently on mobile, but I will re-reply in a minute with the comment that is still pending moderation, with the links edited so that it passes the filter. You will just have to rebuild the links yourself.

Matt
Matt
1 year ago
Reply to  Gerardo Lastra

I’m your best friend right now. You have been taken so far down the garden path you are risking your life. Obviously you must have been pre diabetic to start out on such a diet. I’m thinking you didn’t get there by eating fruit and vegetables and whole grains. Right? Probably by eating “low fat” ice-cream and Twinkies.

Now you can’t tell the difference between an apple and a pizza. You just categorize them as carbs. What do you imagine filled your liver with fat in the first place? Rice and beans? If a diet consisting entirely of meat has improved your blood work what the hell were you eating before?

Andy Bee
Andy Bee
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt

Fatty liver is either caused by alcohol or fructose. I was vegetarian in my 20s and it took 15 years to fix the damage being vegan did and the 15 years later another 2 years to fix the damage SAD did. Atherosclerosis is deeply tied to carbohydrate consumption. The finest blood vessels in the body are in the male penis and the eyes. The function of both have improved so dramatically. Look at the history of the western diet. As the consumption of grains and sugars has increased so has life style diseases such as diabetes and hyper tension have as well. To blame these on the falling consumption of meat rather than the rising consumption of grains and sugars doesn’t pass the test of common sense.

Matt
Matt
1 year ago
Reply to  Gerardo Lastra

I don’t want you to die of a heart attack but I do expect you to. See the difference? I’m trying to save your life here. Why else do you think I’m speaking with you?

Gerardo Lastra
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt

So your way of saying “I really have no logical arguments to reply” is “I don’t have the patience to go over every point.” Fair enough!

B12 and… treated water. What. The. Fuck. You think water available in nature (streams, rivers, ponds, etc) has B12 in it?!

TMAO is a fun one. Bad (observational) studies tried to link it to heart disease, when in fact TMAO may even be protective and is also increased when consuming certain plant-based foods. TMA (and thus TMAO) is produced by certain gut bacteria when ingesting certain nutrients that, as I said, are present in plants as well. Here are some references, if you want to educate yourself:

www dot annualreviews dot org/doi/10.1146/annurev-micro-091014-104422
www dot wjgnet dot com/1007-9327/full/v20/i43/16062.htm
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih dot gov/30485835/
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih dot gov/31200429/
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih dot gov/25636076/
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih dot gov/27377678/

Oxidised cholesterol is one of the primary mechanistic causes of cardiovascular disease, I see we might agree on that. Now, you might be surprised to learn that what leads to cholesterol being oxidised is the content of easily oxidisable fatty acids (who would have guessed). Now, I know the suspense is killing you, but try to guess which type of food contains the most easily oxidisable fatty acids. Yes, that’s it! Plants! And now, try to guess what makes cholesterol stay for longer in the blood and thus be more prone to oxidation. Glycation! How do you get glycation? By having high blood glucose. How do you get high blood glucose? By eating carbohydrates! I feel like a primary school teacher now. Anyway, here are the references:

openheart.bmj dot com/content/5/2/e000898
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih dot gov/9488997/
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih dot gov/17023268/
www dot ncbi.nlm.nih dot gov/pmc/articles/PMC5723280/
www dot pnas dot org/content/79/6/1712
portlandpress dot com/biochemsoctrans/article-abstract/31/5/1062/63359/Oxi
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih dot gov/11049692/

I know I am probably wasting my time, and I am posting here in a plant-based website and you are probably a vocal vegan, but I still have a bit of hope in the remote chance that I might even convince you (or whoever is reading) to at least consider that you might be wrong and prevent your trouble down the road.

This will be my last reply in this thread, as I see you have no intention on having a meaningful discussion and avoid any kind of debate when your beliefs are confronted.

Matt
Matt
1 year ago
Reply to  Gerardo Lastra

Yes natural waterways have B12 in them, enough to cover a persons RDA if they drink the recommended amount of water. It’s a metabolite of bacteria.

If you don’t want oxidized cholesterol in your arterial wall you may want to consider a diet low in saturated fat because the liver converts it in to cholesterol. Statins work by interrupting this process. Also you may wish to try a zero cholesterol diet.

You get high resting blood sugar by having lipids clogging your muscle cells and liver. This creates insulin resistance preventing glucose from entering the cell where it is the body’s natural energy source. When you eat low carb blood sugar goes down, no kidding, but you are treating the symptoms, not the cause. Your cells are still clogged with fat.

Gerardo Lastra
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt

While B12 is a metabolite of bacteria, production happens mostly in the digestive systems of animals, and not directly in water, as you might expect. Only stagnant water or bodies of water otherwise highly contaminated with fecal matter will contain B12. If you want to drink that, then be my guest.

Your body will try to create cholesterol regardless of what you eat. If you eat saturated fat you are just making it easier to create it, but the body will only create as much as it needs. Statins interfere with this and with lipid metabolism, which is basically how they cause Alzheimer’s, muscle pain, etc.

No use debating the rest as I said earlier. Also thanks for proving my point of you needing the last word. I guess you could say the same about me. Oops!

Bye!

Matt
Matt
1 year ago
Reply to  Gerardo Lastra

You just contradicted yourself, if the body only produces as much cholesterol as it needs then why do statins exist at all? Why are they the biggest selling drugs in the world? And if the body limits cholesterol production why does anyone ever have high cholesterol?

Have you had yours checked recently? It’s probably off the charts.

Keith
Keith
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt

Because statins are snake oil and going off an outdated hypothesis that deemed cholesterol the cause of heart disease.

Keith
Keith
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt

Why are vegans always so damn angry? Eat what you want and leave us the hell alone.

Patrick Proctor
Patrick Proctor
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt

Yes there are. 14mcg/100g of muscle meat. It’s the reason the Inuit never die of Scurvy. As long as you get at least 10mcg per day with normal blood sugar, you never develop Scurvy symptoms.

Not all fats are metabolized the same, and the same is true of Trans Fats. Some are perfectly healthy going by the evidence. Laraidic Acid, the only man-made one, has been proven to be a deadly poison.

Vilhjalmur Stefansson even took a contingent of his students out to live among them, and the ONLY ones who developed Scurvy did so because they brought bread with them and broke their carnivore diets.

No, Glucose is “A” natural fuel of cells. So is a fatty acid (Beta Oxidation). So is Beta-Hydroxybutyrate. Every cell in your body outside the liver and 25% of the brain will use BHB preferrentially in a normal blood insulin state. And if you run the Free Energy Equations and calculate the end products, Glucose produces MORE reactive oxygen species than any other metabollic fuel for the same ATP output.

Free radicals are caused by cooking meat? Citation please. Parasites cause brain cancer? Citation please. And yes, everyone knows parasites are a risk in raw meat. I don’t eat raw meat. I also don’t char it.

Cooking meat too much produces Advanced Glycosylation End Products (carcinogenic), but so does overcooking veggies. Glucose non-enzymatically binding to proteins eventually leads to it, regardless of the protein source. That brings us back to low-carb diets being better for you, especially low-fructose diets.

Matt
Matt
1 year ago

Inuit eat seaweed and blueberries. They are omnivores.

Patrick Proctor
Patrick Proctor
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt

Inuit do NOT eat blueberries. The only people claiming they do have not actually lived in their communities. Vilhalmur Stefanson’s writings are the singular authoritative work on Inuit culture and eating habits.

Matt
Matt
1 year ago

So what’s your angle here? Are you a true believer or do you have something to sell?

Matt
Matt
1 year ago

Carnivore diets consist of dead animals and water, correct?

Brian
Brian
11 days ago
Reply to  Matt

There are zero trans fats in meats. Idk what you read or learn from. Trans fats cannot occur in meat bc they’re man made. Saturated fat exists in meat. Big difference

Jonathan Sonnier
Jonathan Sonnier
1 year ago

It’s a misnomer for omnivores to call themselves carnivores. These people are meat lovers. Lions and tigers don’t get heart disease, and they can eat meat all day long. Only omnivores and herbivores develop heart disease from eating meat. So, these are meat lovers. And as all of the data shows, if they continue to experiment with their bodies there will be no doubt what happens to them, and the result of what their behavior does to their bodies will be clear.

notyetagm
notyetagm
1 year ago

Utter nonsense.

“The JACC abstract reads: …

Whole-fat dairy, unprocessed meat, eggs and dark chocolate are SFA-rich foods with a complex matrix that are not associated with increased risk of CVD. The totality of available evidence does not support further limiting the intake of such foods.”

https://www.nutritioncoalition.us/news/saturated-fats-limit-unnecessary-journal-of-american-college-of-cardiology

Patrick Proctor
Patrick Proctor
1 year ago

Please explain why there are no long-term carnivore dieters with heart disease then. Please also explain the Inuit, Tokelau, and Masai. Shawn Baker, Paul Saladino, Ken Berry, Ivor Cummins, and Ben Bickman have CAC scores of ZERO and regularly have fresh numbers tested and published.

The data does not, in fact, show carnivore diets to be dangerous to humans outside of some very poorly done associational studies run by the Seventh Day Adventists.

Matt
Matt
1 year ago

There are NO long term adherents to this diet.

Patrick Proctor
Patrick Proctor
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt

Yes there are. Ivor Cummins (6 years), Shawn Baker (14 years), Mikhaila Peterson (8 years), Jordan Peterson (3 years), Paul Saladino (9 years).

Matt
Matt
1 year ago

Jordan Peterson drinks whisky. That’s not carnivore.

Patrick Proctor
Patrick Proctor
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt

He hasn’t drank anything alcoholic in 4 years moron.

Matt
Matt
1 year ago

BS I saw an interview where he said it himself. And are bennies part of the Carnivore protocol too?

James
James
1 year ago

You can’t really honestly make that claim; how do you innately know that all carnivore diet adherents are free of heart disease? The fact is, neither you nor anyone else can honestly make this claim, one way or the other; however, there IS more than anecdotal evidence that an all meat, high saturated fat diet is unhealthy and can be linked to deaths due to a no vegetable, no whole grain diet….think back to Dr. Atkins and HIS version of a basically Keto diet….he’s DEAD….of a HEART ATTACK.

Bryan
Bryan
1 year ago
Reply to  James

That’s either a lie or statement of complete ignorance. Dr. Atkins died of a head injury.

JonWRowe
JonWRowe
1 year ago
Reply to  James

No Atkins died as a result from a fall.

Matt
Matt
1 year ago
Reply to  JonWRowe

That was the cover story.

Patrick Proctor
Patrick Proctor
1 year ago
Reply to  James

I can honestly make that claim because the papers exist and the public data sets compiled by Dave Feldman and Ivor Cummins have proven it well beyond the standards of evidence used for “heart healthy whole grain” adherents.

No, there is nothing more than anecdotal evidence that saturated fat is unhealthy. No RCTs show it has a negative effect EXCEPT in the context of a processed food diet.

And Atkins died of valve failure, so the diet had nothing to do with it. Cardiac valvular failure-based infarctions are essentially unavoidable ultra long term. When your valve gives out is up to your genetics and up to your heart rate variability.

Patrick Proctor
Patrick Proctor
1 year ago
Reply to  James

And on fat specifically, the actual leading expert, whose Ph.D. thesis looked at literally ALL available evidence on fat of all kinds available at the time, would invite you to refute the following:

https://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?uin=uk.bl.ethos.695333

And the condensed presentation for the academically challenged…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqkAJmXt9RE

Fallopia Tuba
Fallopia Tuba
1 year ago

The Masai only live to 40 years on average; for the most part, heart disease is the gradual buildup of arterial plaques of fat—which set the stage for an “event” to occur.

Patrick Proctor
Patrick Proctor
1 year ago
Reply to  Fallopia Tuba

No, they live to 54 (mean) if you include all the deaths before the age of 5. If you remove those, they live well into their 80s on par with the best western civilizations.

Matt
Matt
1 year ago

Masai eat yams.

Patrick Proctor
Patrick Proctor
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt

In emergency situations or when their cattle are not producing milk. Over 85% of their caloric intake is milk.

Matt
Matt
1 year ago

What a load of bunk.

Matt
Matt
1 year ago

So you admit the Masai are not carnivores. Tell me Patrick do YOU follow the carnivore diet? Care to share your bloodwork?

CHANCE GAUGE RYAN
CHANCE GAUGE RYAN
1 year ago

Yeah friend, u may want to read some more. IMHO the correct answer is different for every single person.
Studies are now being conducted more and more.
The only facts are our society has based our position on nutrition off of information from what 40 50 years ago, much of that information has been tossed aside now because current science doesn’t support it, remember that damn food pyramid Gone.
They’re people a vegan diet is good for, and there will be people a high meat and fat diet benefits, and then there will be most people somewhere in the middle, ALL OF THEM RIGHT AND ALL WRONG

Matt
Matt
1 year ago

Yeah the same way all giraffes have vastly different diets for each individual. And all cows and all cats. Not as if each species has an optimal diet. No, all little snowflakes need a specific diet based on their psychology because they have a food addiction and arn’t interested in facts.

Bev Johnson
Bev Johnson
1 year ago

What about humans who have been genetically modified? asking for a friend

Beth Harrell
Beth Harrell
1 year ago

How dare you tell me how or what I should eat. I dont need a vegan to tell me their way is best or a carnivore either. As an adult I am capable of eating without all your misguided intentions. AndDr Furhman should ” be taken care of” as he “jokingly” said of others who dont agree with him.. you all need to mind your own business

CHANCE GAUGE RYAN
CHANCE GAUGE RYAN
1 year ago
Reply to  Beth Harrell

Beth just made me wet ?????, that a girl u tell it to them

Matt